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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Dan Chase on Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:20 am

Who's all coming to the meeting tonight? Maybe we can all break off after the meeting and hammer out the rest of the rules?
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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  sjburnsed on Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:16 am

any restrictions on the year of the kart? I have an extra chassis that is less than a year old, and would like to use it for this class if i can. earlier post made it sound like only older kart's would be allowed. fyi harbor freight on auburn blvd in sacramento has alot of engines in stock for $129.00 until jan.1st for anyone looking for them.

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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Simon on Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:46 pm

I was talking to Donald Durbin today about tires and what we might be using with the stock box karts. His suggestion was to use something that is already widely used (like Bridestone YHCs) but stipulate that you can't run new tires. This means we would have a plentiful supply of old used tires (ie cheap or free). He didn't think choosing a really hard compound would be a very good idea as they are not very common and reliable supply might become a problem.

Just something to think about.
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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  DrAwender on Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:22 pm

I am looking to start racing in 2009 and I am interested in the 4 stroke class. I was wondering if anyone had one ready that perhaps I could take a few laps in to see if I would like it (I'm 5'9" 165 lbs). I currently have a KT100 and have run a 80cc shifter in the past. Basically I'm looking for a low buck class to race in.
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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Skip Thompson on Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:30 pm

Dr Joe, is this you?
Its Skip. Merle's son.

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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  DrAwender on Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:37 pm

No this is Dr. Jeff... Dr. Joe is my dad.
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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Simon on Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:47 pm

Happy new year to you all !!

I'm nearly done! Santa brought me some rims, and Donald donated some used tires.

Just the sumo seat to bolt in and a chain guard and I'm all done. It's a tight fit between the end of the crank and the seat stay, but it all fits ... just !





If anyone needs a Gecker chainguard/heat shield, I have one going cheap. I ordered one, but it will not fit, my clutch is too close to the crankcase for the big aluminum plate to go in there. I'll fabricate something myself instead.
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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Jason Hernandez on Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:01 am

I will take the chain guard off your hands, Simon!

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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Simon on Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:18 am

It's yours Jason, I can bring it to the banquet if I don't see you before.

I got my kart running today ..... not exactly neck snapping acceleration, but there is potential for fun !

Shakedown test in our local high school parking lot .....

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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Dan Chase on Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:21 pm

That's great, Simon! It will be a blast with 10 or more of us 'ol geezers going wheel to wheel in death defying act of bravery! Rolling Eyes Wink Razz
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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Paul Williamson on Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:54 pm

Hi, I recently found out about this thread. My local track is Redding, but I am planning on running with NFRA, who races at Dixon (as well as Davis, Prairie City, Stocton, and Reno), so I will get to try your track for the first time.

I have decided to build a clone for my second chassis, mainly to learn more about motor building and maintenance, and I didn't think anyone was running the class in NorCal. Since you are, I would like to make sure I build it to whatever spec Kinsmen decides, so I can come run with you guys sometime.

Have you decided on which header/pipe? Also, I am wondering what the decision is regarding the flywheel. It is my understanding that for box stock, it shouldn't be an issue.

I am picking up one of the yellow clones this week, and look forward to getting it on my spare chassis. I'm glad you guys are taking the initiative or running the clone and 4 strokes, and am looking forward to racing my Animal at Dixon on April 5th with the F200s and WFs. As well, I will have my clone ready by then, so I hope to race with you.

Thanks,
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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Dan Chase on Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:42 pm

Hi Paul,
Welcome to the forum! We will be following the WKA/ARKA rules, allowed engine mods are aftermarket air filter, spec pipe and muffler, Governor removed & fuel pump for remote gas tank, Stamped steel drum shoe type clutches only. I'm not sure if WKA allowed the jet to be drilled or not. We have not decided on tires, but I think most are leaning toward YHC's. I think we will need to get out and run them and see what works for us. Personally I think we should be running a harder tire then the YHC, the most fun I ever had racing karts was back when we ran 3 hole cans on a KT-100 with rock hard YBN tires, I think this class has all the makings for a similar class.

Dixon runs WKA insurance, so we must be WKA compliant. They are not requiring a SFI flywheel, the stock flywheel passed their test. We are not running for points this year, so it should be easy to make changes if we all agree to them. Maybe Karl will post a link to the rules, I can't seem to find them right now. You can check out the ARKA rules here, WKA has not posted theirs yet. http://karting.4cycle.com/showthread.php?t=215310

I hope this helps.

BTW: I was thinking we should call this class Limited Spec Kart or just LSK for short? cyclops

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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Paul Williamson on Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:55 pm

Thanks, Dan. That does help, as I wasn't sure the WKA even had anything on clones.

And, yes, I think it might be nice to consider something other than "clone" class.

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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Dan Chase on Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:52 pm

Karl has been in close contact with WKA, they approved the class last year, I'm not sure why they have not posted the rules on their web site yet. IIRC, they did mirror ARKA rules, but I'm not 100% sure. Karl would know for sure.
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I want in...

Post  rb on Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:24 am

I'm new to kart racing, and was pretty stoked when I found this thread. I like the spec nature (and 4-stroke) of the box motor, but I'm having trouble locating a suitable used chassis (do you guys call them chassis? or frames? or something else maybe? seriously, I'm new).

Where is a good place to look for a frame for a box motor kart? My cousin and I are looking to get out there starting this summer, and are trying to get a couple karts together.

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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Harrison on Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:28 pm

We do call them both chassis and frames are you looking for a new of used chassis?
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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Dan Chase on Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:46 pm

Ray, I have a couple of CRG karts ('05 & '06) that would work well for the 4 stoke class, one of them was designed for 4 stokes. If you wanted both of them I could set you up with enough spares so it should last a season. Drop me an email fo you want more pics and info.

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Post  rb on Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:44 pm

My experience with racing stuff is that you're always better off buying someone's old race setup when you first start out. I'm mostly interested in a used, race-ready chassis. I'm already started on the motor here, so any motor included will end up being a spare.

Dan- I'm interested, check your email.

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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  melanie on Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:25 pm

To all "Clone class" drivers/racers:

In order to run the Clone class (Box Stock Senior) this year at Kinsmen, it doesnt matter if its a competitive class or not, we have to be covered by insurance. So, we need to know the MAKE, MODEL, and COLOR of your engine. Please respond ASAP so we can get the insurance taken care of. Send me an email at: 4mam@prodigy.net

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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  melanie on Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:34 pm

alien alien TO ALL CLONE RACERS / DRIVERS:::

In order to run the Clone class (Box Stock Senior) this year at Kinsmen - it doesnt matter if its a competitive class or not - we need to be covered by insurance. So, we need to know the MAKE, MODEL, and COLOR of your engine. Please respond and send me an email ASAP so we can get the insurance taken care of.
My email : 4mam@prodigy.net

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List of Clone Engines

Post  Karl Cleeton on Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:11 pm

Ok all - Below is a list of the engines I understand are being raced in the South.

Please feel free to add to this list, we don't want anyone to get left out.
If you have a clone engine check it right away to make sure it is on the list.
Mel needs this info asap.


MFG: Jiang Dong - Lifan - Zongshen

MODELS: 6.5hp 196cc OHV Engine (168 Series)

COLORS: Red, Blue, Yellow, Black

Also rebadged and sold under the following names;

BS (Box Stock)
Central Machinery
Northern Tools
Carroll Stream Motors
Greyhound
Baja
Blue Max

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New racers

Post  Paul Landry II on Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:47 pm

Melanie, My dad and I are not yet members however we are looking forward to joining the neew clone class.... i bought a new blue lifan 6.5 from harbor freight and am putting the arc racing box stock kit on it and my dad ordered the yellow bsp motor directly from arc.... hope this helps and i look forward to meeting you all soon..... Paul

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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Simon on Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:01 pm

Drilling the main jet is legal in stock box yes ? Karl did tell me what the maximum diameter is but I forgot what he said, can you remind me ?
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Re: New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

Post  Karl Cleeton on Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:16 pm


AKRA rules say the main fuel jet may be drilled to a no-go of .042 inch.
ARC is sending their race ready BSP engines out with 0.038" jets, but says a 0.037" may be needed when weather warms up.
A great jet drilling guide can be found here at;
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