New 4 Stoke Class for 2009

I looked into that as soon as I received it, but the degree is cut into the bottom of the leg, so if I was to try and 180 them the mount would be a 15 degree angle to the rear.

I think the way it is set now will work just fine for what we will be doing. Thanks for the advise though.

Doh! Of course you can't turn it around. If you find clearance is a problem on a different chassis you could always cut off the extra.

For those of you who are looking for a engine and do not want to go to Reno or wait for Harbor Freight, check this guy out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190230797210



Looks like $119 using buy it now and he quoted me $14-16 for shipping to Benicia. Not bad for someone local!

Anyone looking for a cheap kart for there clone project, here's one on craigslist;
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/837978143.html

Scott, I'm still looking for the command to release your pics.

Neil,

Since we haven't sit down and hammered out a set of rules yet it's probably too early to say one way or the other. In previous post I have voiced my opinion in favor of following the BSP rules. Even with the changes announced over Labor day weekend they continue to follow the "spirit and intent" of the class. I think the idea of using #35 final drive was intended to keep cost down because most of the 4 cycle guys already have chain and sprockets (just the reverse here). Most of the complaining I have read is why the rules wont allow them to run their high end disc style clutches. Although #219 clutches are readily available they average about twice the cost of a #35 clutch. If you have found a deal on a #219 Premire clutch get it. I'm pretty sure you can always go back #35 later by changing the just driver if #35 becomes the rule for Box Stock. Or maybe once we get together and lay down some rules the #219 will be allowed in box Stock or as as an option for "Super Box".

~Karl

Hey gang,
We are going to Reno next week for the IKF - we leave Thurs and come back Sat. night. Anyone need us to pick up anything? Either email, or call. (or you can talk to me/us at our Kinsmen races this weekend)

Smiles,
Melanie
4mam@prodigy.net
(925)933-8319

Mel,

Matt Dixon has a Clone engine for me. He would like to give it to you at the Reno IKF. Can you bring it back for me?

Thanks,
Neil XOXOX

Neil:
We'll be happy to pick up your engine Give me/hubby a call tonight.

Mel
(925)933-8319

Melanie

You can find me there Friday and Sat.

I will have Neils motor in my trailer...

Matt

These are a few shots of how I installed the fuel pump and the pulse-line. The straight up-and-down for the pulse line won't work with the stock muffler (due to heat). This one shows the line up, but I have it installed on the upper right side (if you are looking at it from the rear!) at an angle. I noticed that Chris had also installed his and Luigi's the same way. When you remove the valve cover you will see the area you will have to drill to make the fitting work.

Karl, will you find the link with the instructions on drilling the pulse line and post it?

Sorry for the blury pictures, they were taken with my phone!

ive been reading alot about the people that have been using these engines and there has been alot of talk about the flywheels being very unsafe, coming apart and hurting people. i think this is going to be a great class to have. but the flywheel's should be considered only for safety reason's. ive read this thread and am getting confused on what will be allowed to be changed. i see bone stock looking engines and ones with pipes,carbs air filter's, ect. could someone let me and everyone else looking into this class know exactly what the rule's will be so people can get there kart's ready. it's pretty damn confusing right now. thank's to anyone who can tell me. , Chris.

Check out some of these for your answers. We will run a "box stock" class next year 09'.
This is a new class so the rules are still being finalized.
Tom at ARC racing had the fly-wheel tests done. End result- stock flywheels come apart at more than 10,000rpm. the stock springs and valves float at 5300-5500rpm.
WKA should have made the change to the rules already.

1. Governor removed

2. Aftermarket air cleaner with stock carb/intake

3. Only certain pipe that does not flow better than stock muffler. Gecker motorsports and ARC have these pipes, I believe Gecker has them for $23-25!

4. stock metal gas tank can be removed and a pulse line fuel pump installed

Any of these changes do not improve the stock performance



http://arcracing.blogspot.com/2008/09/akras-new-box-stock.html

http://arcracing.blogspot.com/2008/09/arc-box-stock-header-kit.html

Look at the bottom of this page for pulse line install \/ \/ \/
http://arcracing.blogspot.com/2008_06_01_archive.html

thank you! much appreciated.

The only thing I have left to do is install the restrictor plate to make it ready for a Jr. driver. I will have it out to be tested on Sunday if it does not rain!




Completed Jr. Clone

I will be working on the Adult size version next and hopefully have it finished soon.

Karl and I started it first but it looks like the Jr. is done first.

I do have another chassis for a 2nd adult kart that was donated by Shawn for another Club Kart. However I do not have a engine for that one yet.

Is anyone feeling generous? Want to pick me up another 6.5 hp engine from Harbor Freight? And donate it to the cause?

http://www.harborfreightusa.com/html/wkend1006/images/56.gif

Here is a link to a coupon for $50+ off a engine /\ /\ /\ /\ if anybody is interested!

I am also looking for a older "Emmick" style steering wheel for this kart. You know one with a hole in the center!

We will also be looking for two sets of silver/grey plastics for the Club Karts. 4 pods, 2 noses, and 1 front panel. I have 1 front panel now.

The plan is to have the silver/grey plastic and lay down the Kinsmen colors and logo on them.

They will be numbered K1, K2, K3...... and so on if anyone has an old roller "hanging" around that they would like to part with, we could have more than the ones we are currently building.
Any extra or older safety gear that you don't use anymore or have grown out of can be brought to the track and donated to the Club.

Remember this is for the Club and a fun way to get more people interested in karting at our track.

Ideally, the plan would be to have the Club Karts available at the track for people to use on the weekends. People new to karting and maybe families interested in joining. Even your neighbor who is always bugging you to drive your kart, or your kids friends who want to drive their race kart. This would be a way to introduce them to the sport, make some money for the club, and not put any extra time on your expensive race engines and chassis!

This would not be for just new members, but for all club members also. Dads who want to see what their kids are experiencing on the track, Moms who want to go out and try, older or younger siblings who want to try, or your family members who are interested in driving.

So what do you think?

Jason,

I picked up two more motors today, one for Matt and one to donate to the club kart. I'll bring it next weekend unless you need it sooner.

Here's a pic of the "new '09 spec" Box Stock Project, Arc sells all th eparts including clutch for $300 or with prepped motor for $350, what a deal!



Dan

Sunday afternoon was the test for the Jr. clone club kart.

I am still playing with gearing but using a 17t front and a 55t rear, Thomas was able to achieve 37 second lap-times.

I also had some input from a very special Jr. Driver!(you know who you are!) Thanks for the help! Awesome smoking tire!

The gear ratio is pretty tall but, that little motor has enough torque to almost spin the tires from a stand still!

This test was done without the restrictor but I wanted a "feel" for what it would do.

I believe with the proper gearing this set-up may be comparable to a stock Comer 80.

It is plenty fast enough for first-time karters!

I will be working on the adult version this week, time permitting, possibly completed by this weekend.

Maybe we could have a little exhibition during lunch at the race on Sunday?

What do you say? Chris? Luigi? Dan, you have one finished(box stock)?


Dan- next weekend will be great. with the Jr. finished and being able to work on the full size one, I should be able to start the other one next week.

Well I got the full size Clone roller home yesterday. Karl and I had preped the engine a while ago, but it was at work.

Now that I finished the Jr. Clone, I want to finish this one.

This is an older Emmick chassis. Even the seat says "Emmick" on it, size "Sumo"!

The mounting of the seat on the Jr. wasn't hard due to the small size.

Surprisingly the "Sumo" sized seat for this one was not hard to fit either.

For the most part I am almost finished with it. I still need to get a chain-guard, seat mounts, and a little bit of fiberglass work on the bottom of the seat!

Oh yeah, and a tank. But other than that it is mostly done.

Jason, I have tank or two, do you need one?

Dan, I do need a tank or two if you have them!

Thanks!

I have info from wka on the motors. I will copy the information and pass it out at the meeting about the motors and rpm stuff for the fly wheels. On what is needed.
I am not sure if you have this Jason. Due to insurance, I want everything to be perfect for you guys and gals!

When is the meeting, Jessie?

Jason, I'll bring what I have this weekend.